I was recently in a discussion with friends over when one actually needs a PDP licence? One of them is a missionary who often transports people around in one of the church’s Quantums. Investigating the situation it all comes down to how you want to define certain things. The following is the simplest breakdown to determine if you need one or not:
The biggest thing to decide is on the concept of paying customers. Certain websites state it as “a motor vehicle used for the conveyance of persons for reward” and others as “other vehicle carrying paying passengers”. These are two very different topics. In my friend’s case, the passengers aren’t paying, but she may be receiving remuneration for her work at the church and such as is required to drive the mini-bus as part of her duties, thus she would fall in this category.
If we look at the regulation itself:
National Road Traffic Act, 1996 – National Road Traffic Regulations, 1999 – Chapter V: Fitenss of Drivers – Part IV: Professional Driving Permit – 115: Certain drivers of certain vehicles to hold professional driving permit
1) Subject to the provisions of subregulation (2), a professional driving permit shall be held by the driver of –
… e) a motor vehicle used for the conveyance of persons for reward …
Thus if she is being remunerated for her work she would probably require one. It also explains why on sports tours at university we didn’t require one, as we were not being paid for driving.
Other things to note:
- The currently used Professional Driving Permit (PrDP) is the continuation of the old Public Driving Permit (PDP) which was used pre 1998 and excluded certain provisions which are now included under the PrDP.
- Price will vary with time.
- A D (dangerous goods) licence includes a G (goods) licence.
- One can hold both a P (people) and G, or P and D PrDP licence at the same time.
- The minimum age for a PrDP licence is 18 for a G licence, 21 for a P licence, and 25 for a D licence.
- If it’s a goods vehicle under 3.5 tons, it does not require a PrDP.
- If it’s a vehicle of any size used to carry passengers for reward, or has 12 or more seats, a PrDP is required.
- Almost all vehicles over 3.5 tons will require a PrDP, either for carrying passengers or as a goods vehicle. This is irrelevant of whether you are transporting goods or passengers at the time or not.
- A vehicle over 3.5 tons, but is not a goods vehicle, does not require a PrDP. I’ve seen several people make mention of the Ford F250 and how traffic officer’s have demanded a PrDP. According to the law it is not required unless it can be defined as a goods vehicle. It does however require a C1 (old code 10) or higher licence.
This opens another discussion on the definition of goods vehicle. The RTA defines goods as
any movable property
and a goods vehicle as
a motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, motor tricycle, motor quadrucycle, motorcar, minibus or bus, designed or adapted for the conveyance of goods on a public road and includes a truck-tractor, adaptor dolly, converter dolly and breakdown vehicle
Which is very vague, so people who get fines for their F250 should probably just right a nice letter trying to explain how their vehicle is a private vehicle and should not fall under the definition of a goods vehicle.
To get a PrDP you must also not have been convicted of certain crimes within the space of 5 years (NRTA):
if the applicant has, within a period of five years prior to the date of the application, been convicted of or has paid an admission of guilt on –
i) driving a motor vehicle while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or a drug having a narcotic effect;
ii) driving a motor vehicle while the concentration of alcohol in his or her blood exceeded a statutory limitation;
iii) reckless driving; or
iv) in the case of an application for a category “P” and “D” permit, an offence of which violence was an element;
With regards to foreign/international/overseas driver’s licences, the exact law is unclear and interpreted differently. My interpretation of the NRTA (specific section) matches Fleetwatch here. If you wish to drive a vehicle that requires a PrDP, you either need a South African licence with a PrDP, or you need a licence from a prescribed country with their equivalent of the PrDP (for example Zimbabwe’s Defensive Driving Licence). If you have a licence from any other country you are not permitted to drive such a vehicle.
This is however countered by the AA in this response of their’s in which they essentially state that if you are allowed to drive a PrDP vehicle in your country, you can drive it in SA.
Please note, I am in no way an expert with regards to traffic laws or any related topic, I am merely laying out the information as I’ve found it, all comments below are also given with a view from the facts I know, always enquire at your local traffic department when uncertain.
Hi,they say the quantum is regarded as a light motor vehicle… does that mean I can operate it with my code 8 licence?
yes, if it’s GVM is less than 3.5 tons
My daughter turned 20 and completed all her Field Guide Studies. Before she can be employed she must have a PrDP but since she is under 21 she can not apply. Is there any exceptions. Will they allow her to apply ?
Not that I’m aware of.
On the roadworthy paper it shows “heavy passanger vehicle” but doesn’t exceed 3,500kg. Does it also mean I can operate it with my code 8 licence?
what is the vehicle, what is the vehicle’s GVM as listed on the roadworthy document?
The vehicle is the amandla 14 seater which gmv is 2970kg
if GVM is less than 3.5 tons you can drive with code 8. But if it’s a 14 seater you need PrDP
I wnt to knw f I wnt to apply for prdp for dangerous good wht must I do?
You need to do a dangerous goods training course with a reputable organisation. Then apply for a PrDP as normal
Hi I’m using the 14 seater amandla to drive staff around, why was I issued with an operator disc if its not going to be used as a taxi?
According to the RTA, any vehicle designed to transport more than 12 people requires an operator’s card. I don’t know the laws surrounding operator’s cards well though.
I recently applied for my PDP as we purchased a Quantum 14 seater which we will only be using to go on holiday as a family. We will be going on holiday soon and I still haven’t received it. Will I still be able to drive the vehicle with proof that I did apply for my PDP while I wait for it?
I don’t think so. You either need a temporary licence all the actual PrDP.
Hi gareth, i have a code b licence and a prdp do i qualify to drive any toyota quantum?
Any quantum that has GVM less than 3.5 tons. Which is most if not all of them as far as I know
hi gareth , can i get a pdp or prdp, if i had fraud suspended sentence in 2012
If it’s not driving related, you most likely will be able to.
Does a teacher who transport kids in a mini bus to sport and functions require a pDP license.
Best regards
Emil
Hi, Emil, under most circumstances they do.
Hi Gareth
Interesting reading. Please can you clarify the following.
I have a JMC truck GVM 3495KG and a trailer with a GVM 3500kg.
TOTAL GVM of truck and trailer is 6995kg.
Can I drive on a EB license?
Do I need a PDP?
Thanks
Hi Craig.
an EB allows you to drive the following:
“a combination of a motor vehicle the tare of which does not exceed 3 500 kg;
with a trailer the gross vehicle mass of which exceeds 750 kilograms.”
So as far as I can tell your vehicle combination meets these specifications.
Note that the trailer you are towing must be braked!
Hi.I nd to knw I have mini quantum 10 seater Im driving it with code B it is fne to drive tht wth tht licence
A code B is fine but you need a PrDP