I was recently in a discussion with friends over when one actually needs a PDP licence? One of them is a missionary who often transports people around in one of the church’s Quantums. Investigating the situation it all comes down to how you want to define certain things. The following is the simplest breakdown to determine if you need one or not:
The biggest thing to decide is on the concept of paying customers. Certain websites state it as “a motor vehicle used for the conveyance of persons for reward” and others as “other vehicle carrying paying passengers”. These are two very different topics. In my friend’s case, the passengers aren’t paying, but she may be receiving remuneration for her work at the church and such as is required to drive the mini-bus as part of her duties, thus she would fall in this category.
If we look at the regulation itself:
National Road Traffic Act, 1996 – National Road Traffic Regulations, 1999 – Chapter V: Fitenss of Drivers – Part IV: Professional Driving Permit – 115: Certain drivers of certain vehicles to hold professional driving permit
1) Subject to the provisions of subregulation (2), a professional driving permit shall be held by the driver of –
… e) a motor vehicle used for the conveyance of persons for reward …
Thus if she is being remunerated for her work she would probably require one. It also explains why on sports tours at university we didn’t require one, as we were not being paid for driving.
Other things to note:
- The currently used Professional Driving Permit (PrDP) is the continuation of the old Public Driving Permit (PDP) which was used pre 1998 and excluded certain provisions which are now included under the PrDP.
- Price will vary with time.
- A D (dangerous goods) licence includes a G (goods) licence.
- One can hold both a P (people) and G, or P and D PrDP licence at the same time.
- The minimum age for a PrDP licence is 18 for a G licence, 21 for a P licence, and 25 for a D licence.
- If it’s a goods vehicle under 3.5 tons, it does not require a PrDP.
- If it’s a vehicle of any size used to carry passengers for reward, or has 12 or more seats, a PrDP is required.
- Almost all vehicles over 3.5 tons will require a PrDP, either for carrying passengers or as a goods vehicle. This is irrelevant of whether you are transporting goods or passengers at the time or not.
- A vehicle over 3.5 tons, but is not a goods vehicle, does not require a PrDP. I’ve seen several people make mention of the Ford F250 and how traffic officer’s have demanded a PrDP. According to the law it is not required unless it can be defined as a goods vehicle. It does however require a C1 (old code 10) or higher licence.
This opens another discussion on the definition of goods vehicle. The RTA defines goods as
any movable property
and a goods vehicle as
a motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, motor tricycle, motor quadrucycle, motorcar, minibus or bus, designed or adapted for the conveyance of goods on a public road and includes a truck-tractor, adaptor dolly, converter dolly and breakdown vehicle
Which is very vague, so people who get fines for their F250 should probably just right a nice letter trying to explain how their vehicle is a private vehicle and should not fall under the definition of a goods vehicle.
To get a PrDP you must also not have been convicted of certain crimes within the space of 5 years (NRTA):
if the applicant has, within a period of five years prior to the date of the application, been convicted of or has paid an admission of guilt on –
i) driving a motor vehicle while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or a drug having a narcotic effect;
ii) driving a motor vehicle while the concentration of alcohol in his or her blood exceeded a statutory limitation;
iii) reckless driving; or
iv) in the case of an application for a category “P” and “D” permit, an offence of which violence was an element;
With regards to foreign/international/overseas driver’s licences, the exact law is unclear and interpreted differently. My interpretation of the NRTA (specific section) matches Fleetwatch here. If you wish to drive a vehicle that requires a PrDP, you either need a South African licence with a PrDP, or you need a licence from a prescribed country with their equivalent of the PrDP (for example Zimbabwe’s Defensive Driving Licence). If you have a licence from any other country you are not permitted to drive such a vehicle.
This is however countered by the AA in this response of their’s in which they essentially state that if you are allowed to drive a PrDP vehicle in your country, you can drive it in SA.
Please note, I am in no way an expert with regards to traffic laws or any related topic, I am merely laying out the information as I’ve found it, all comments below are also given with a view from the facts I know, always enquire at your local traffic department when uncertain.
Good day
If i am a Mobile Crane assessor do i need a PDP and or Code 14 license as i do not operate the crane but train on the lifting side of it
I’m not sure I understand? Legally, a PrDP is only required if you’re going to be driving a vehicle on public roads.
If you’re just operating the lifting part, and not driving it, I don’t see that you would need a PrDP.
However, when it comes to insurance and liability for the work you are doing, your employer or insurance provider may have requirements, which include PrDP.
Hi Gareth
The church taxi is a 15 seater, carrying church members from one place to another to attend church services, church members do not pay as well as the driver does not have a remuneration for this- does the driver need a PrDP?
Yes, regardless of payment, because the vehicle seats more than 12 people the driver requires a PrDP
hi, can i please ask if you have a driver’s license and you carry goods like steel, flanges, pipes, and brass fittings you don’t need a PDP?
Hi Thalente, what kind of vehicle are you driving? Is it a bakkie? A passenger car? A truck? and what is its GVM?
Hi driving an H1 bus taking people to funeral does it requires pdp with a code 10 lincence
How many seats does the version you are driving have? Are you being paid to drive the people? Who’s bus is it?
No, as it is not a 12 seater bus, unless the vehicle is being hired specifically for that purpose, and the driver is being paid. Even if the vehicle is privately owned, the driver, if paid for his or her services, must have a PrDP
Hi there, I’m working for an Armed Response company.
Transporting staff is part of our duties, the management said he can give us any reasonable tasks to perform outside of our job description. Once informing him about the pdp requirements and him making it clear that it’s part of our duties that we’re getting paid to do he said he’ll do research and come back to us. 30mins he came back and said “you are right about the pdp, we’ll sort staff out from now.” 3 days after that, we must continue as usual cause he apparently spoke to a Mrs from traffic department and she confirmed no need for pdp. But I bet he didn’t give her all the info that it’s part of our duties that we get paid to do.. What’s your thoughts on this, please? And what’s the next step to take cause it’s exhausting…
The RTA requires drivers of a vehicle being used to convey people for reward to hold a PrDP.
On face value this covers drivers of Taxis/Ubers etc., but has broadly been interpreted to include anyone driving a vehicle and transporting people as part of their work duties.
It’s hard to speculate further without knowing exactly what was discussed with the person at the Traffic Department, as well as the reason the person at the Traffic Department may have said one is not required.
Hi,
If a code EC driver’s PrDP has expired, will he be allowed to move trucks into the bays in the yard while he applies to renew his PrDP?
Generally a licence is required for driving on public roads, so driving on private propery, one would not expect a PrDP to be required. However, even if it may be legal, if something were to go wrong, the insurance company may be concerned that the driver was not properly licenced. Best to contact them and get their opinion.
Does a TLB operator need a Prdp ?
It seems unlikely that you would need one, as it is not a goods vehicle. This article references Cranes, and seems to have the same conclusion: https://www.constructionsafety.co.za/2021/09/14/does-a-crane-operator-need-a-prdp/