I was recently in a discussion with friends over when one actually needs a PDP licence? One of them is a missionary who often transports people around in one of the church’s Quantums. Investigating the situation it all comes down to how you want to define certain things. The following is the simplest breakdown to determine if you need one or not:
The biggest thing to decide is on the concept of paying customers. Certain websites state it as “a motor vehicle used for the conveyance of persons for reward” and others as “other vehicle carrying paying passengers”. These are two very different topics. In my friend’s case, the passengers aren’t paying, but she may be receiving remuneration for her work at the church and such as is required to drive the mini-bus as part of her duties, thus she would fall in this category.
If we look at the regulation itself:
National Road Traffic Act, 1996 – National Road Traffic Regulations, 1999 – Chapter V: Fitenss of Drivers – Part IV: Professional Driving Permit – 115: Certain drivers of certain vehicles to hold professional driving permit
1) Subject to the provisions of subregulation (2), a professional driving permit shall be held by the driver of –
… e) a motor vehicle used for the conveyance of persons for reward …
Thus if she is being remunerated for her work she would probably require one. It also explains why on sports tours at university we didn’t require one, as we were not being paid for driving.
Other things to note:
- The currently used Professional Driving Permit (PrDP) is the continuation of the old Public Driving Permit (PDP) which was used pre 1998 and excluded certain provisions which are now included under the PrDP.
- Price will vary with time.
- A D (dangerous goods) licence includes a G (goods) licence.
- One can hold both a P (people) and G, or P and D PrDP licence at the same time.
- The minimum age for a PrDP licence is 18 for a G licence, 21 for a P licence, and 25 for a D licence.
- If it’s a goods vehicle under 3.5 tons, it does not require a PrDP.
- If it’s a vehicle of any size used to carry passengers for reward, or has 12 or more seats, a PrDP is required.
- Almost all vehicles over 3.5 tons will require a PrDP, either for carrying passengers or as a goods vehicle. This is irrelevant of whether you are transporting goods or passengers at the time or not.
- A vehicle over 3.5 tons, but is not a goods vehicle, does not require a PrDP. I’ve seen several people make mention of the Ford F250 and how traffic officer’s have demanded a PrDP. According to the law it is not required unless it can be defined as a goods vehicle. It does however require a C1 (old code 10) or higher licence.
This opens another discussion on the definition of goods vehicle. The RTA defines goods as
any movable property
and a goods vehicle as
a motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, motor tricycle, motor quadrucycle, motorcar, minibus or bus, designed or adapted for the conveyance of goods on a public road and includes a truck-tractor, adaptor dolly, converter dolly and breakdown vehicle
Which is very vague, so people who get fines for their F250 should probably just right a nice letter trying to explain how their vehicle is a private vehicle and should not fall under the definition of a goods vehicle.
To get a PrDP you must also not have been convicted of certain crimes within the space of 5 years (NRTA):
if the applicant has, within a period of five years prior to the date of the application, been convicted of or has paid an admission of guilt on –
i) driving a motor vehicle while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or a drug having a narcotic effect;
ii) driving a motor vehicle while the concentration of alcohol in his or her blood exceeded a statutory limitation;
iii) reckless driving; or
iv) in the case of an application for a category “P” and “D” permit, an offence of which violence was an element;
With regards to foreign/international/overseas driver’s licences, the exact law is unclear and interpreted differently. My interpretation of the NRTA (specific section) matches Fleetwatch here. If you wish to drive a vehicle that requires a PrDP, you either need a South African licence with a PrDP, or you need a licence from a prescribed country with their equivalent of the PrDP (for example Zimbabwe’s Defensive Driving Licence). If you have a licence from any other country you are not permitted to drive such a vehicle.
This is however countered by the AA in this response of their’s in which they essentially state that if you are allowed to drive a PrDP vehicle in your country, you can drive it in SA.
Please note, I am in no way an expert with regards to traffic laws or any related topic, I am merely laying out the information as I’ve found it, all comments below are also given with a view from the facts I know, always enquire at your local traffic department when uncertain.
Hi I owe something like R4700.00 do I qualify to make a pdp
Who do you owe the money to? Traffic fines? You should still be able to get prdp
Good Day
As a family, we will be travelling to Durban & utilizing a 10 Seater. Do I need a PDP Licence for this.
I have since being advised that one does not require a PDP Licence to drive a 10 Seater.
Please advise accordingly.
Much appreciated.
Kind Regards
If you’re not getting paid and it’s just your family then you do not require a prdp.
Thank you Gareth.Your prompt response and comment is highly appreciated.
Kind Regards
Hi, I will drive an old bedford truck over a distance of 350 km have the correct license just not the pdp, will not get paid not carry goods or passengers, do I need a pdp or can I get a temporary pdp for this.
Unfortunately if it’s a truck, it will most likely be considered a goods vehicle, thus requiring a PrDP. The only temporary PrDP I know of is the one you receive while waiting for the official licence to arrive.
Hi, Gareth, What if I was involved in an accident and I wasn’t under the influence of alcohol and no one was injured , they referred it as “Accident Report” would it still be difficult for me to get another prdp?
Hi Willy, If you weren’t convicted for a driving offence (negligent/reckless driving) it shouldn’t affect your application.
there is a need of a pdp when you are driving a taxi without passengers?
Only if it seats more than 12 people
Hi I have a learners for code 14 I know I can not get a prdp
My friend I have to ride with has a ec license But does not have a prdp
Can we ride like that or is it against the law
As a learner you cannot get a PrDP.
As a learner driving a HMV you must be accompanied by a driver who is legally allowed to drive that vehicle, he/she must have a PrDP.
So if you are driving with your friend, and you’re driving a vehicle that requires a code 14 licence, then he will need to have a PrDP as well, otherwise it is illegal.
Hie, I recently obtained my code 10 and stil waiting fo my actual disc.hw do I get a prdp and hw long does it take?.second, hw do I knw that my disc is out, do they sent it to me or I go to traffic and collect?, thanks
You don’t need your disc to apply for prdp. Go to traffic department, fill in forms etc. to get prdp. Traffic department usually tell you how long it takes to get licence. After 6 weeks go to traffic department and they should have your licence
Hi I have a daihatsu sirion 2007 model,,im a foreigner and I have my international drivers license…I use d car to take my 2kids,my brother 2kids nd a friend 2kids to sch nd bring them bac…pls do I need a pdp befor I can take the children to school…if I need a pdp,,what are the requirement to apply for a pdp…thankss
If you are only transporting friends/family in a lift club type arrangement then you do not need a PrDP. However if you are receiving extra money (money than just covering some petrol) from the service then you require a PrDP. Also note that a Scirion is only licenced to carry 5 people.
If you want to get a PrDP you first require a SA driver’s licence, otherwise you need to apply for the equivalent licence from your home country.
Hi, how much is the cost of a new PrDP?
Price changes. Check with traffic department
Last I did my prdp,in verulam,I only spent R700.00 including doctor’s fee.