I was recently in a discussion with friends over when one actually needs a PDP licence? One of them is a missionary who often transports people around in one of the church’s Quantums. Investigating the situation it all comes down to how you want to define certain things. The following is the simplest breakdown to determine if you need one or not:
The biggest thing to decide is on the concept of paying customers. Certain websites state it as “a motor vehicle used for the conveyance of persons for reward” and others as “other vehicle carrying paying passengers”. These are two very different topics. In my friend’s case, the passengers aren’t paying, but she may be receiving remuneration for her work at the church and such as is required to drive the mini-bus as part of her duties, thus she would fall in this category.
If we look at the regulation itself:
National Road Traffic Act, 1996 – National Road Traffic Regulations, 1999 – Chapter V: Fitenss of Drivers – Part IV: Professional Driving Permit – 115: Certain drivers of certain vehicles to hold professional driving permit
1) Subject to the provisions of subregulation (2), a professional driving permit shall be held by the driver of –
… e) a motor vehicle used for the conveyance of persons for reward …
Thus if she is being remunerated for her work she would probably require one. It also explains why on sports tours at university we didn’t require one, as we were not being paid for driving.
Other things to note:
- The currently used Professional Driving Permit (PrDP) is the continuation of the old Public Driving Permit (PDP) which was used pre 1998 and excluded certain provisions which are now included under the PrDP.
- Price will vary with time.
- A D (dangerous goods) licence includes a G (goods) licence.
- One can hold both a P (people) and G, or P and D PrDP licence at the same time.
- The minimum age for a PrDP licence is 18 for a G licence, 21 for a P licence, and 25 for a D licence.
- If it’s a goods vehicle under 3.5 tons, it does not require a PrDP.
- If it’s a vehicle of any size used to carry passengers for reward, or has 12 or more seats, a PrDP is required.
- Almost all vehicles over 3.5 tons will require a PrDP, either for carrying passengers or as a goods vehicle. This is irrelevant of whether you are transporting goods or passengers at the time or not.
- A vehicle over 3.5 tons, but is not a goods vehicle, does not require a PrDP. I’ve seen several people make mention of the Ford F250 and how traffic officer’s have demanded a PrDP. According to the law it is not required unless it can be defined as a goods vehicle. It does however require a C1 (old code 10) or higher licence.
This opens another discussion on the definition of goods vehicle. The RTA defines goods as
any movable property
and a goods vehicle as
a motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, motor tricycle, motor quadrucycle, motorcar, minibus or bus, designed or adapted for the conveyance of goods on a public road and includes a truck-tractor, adaptor dolly, converter dolly and breakdown vehicle
Which is very vague, so people who get fines for their F250 should probably just right a nice letter trying to explain how their vehicle is a private vehicle and should not fall under the definition of a goods vehicle.
To get a PrDP you must also not have been convicted of certain crimes within the space of 5 years (NRTA):
if the applicant has, within a period of five years prior to the date of the application, been convicted of or has paid an admission of guilt on –
i) driving a motor vehicle while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or a drug having a narcotic effect;
ii) driving a motor vehicle while the concentration of alcohol in his or her blood exceeded a statutory limitation;
iii) reckless driving; or
iv) in the case of an application for a category “P” and “D” permit, an offence of which violence was an element;
With regards to foreign/international/overseas driver’s licences, the exact law is unclear and interpreted differently. My interpretation of the NRTA (specific section) matches Fleetwatch here. If you wish to drive a vehicle that requires a PrDP, you either need a South African licence with a PrDP, or you need a licence from a prescribed country with their equivalent of the PrDP (for example Zimbabwe’s Defensive Driving Licence). If you have a licence from any other country you are not permitted to drive such a vehicle.
This is however countered by the AA in this response of their’s in which they essentially state that if you are allowed to drive a PrDP vehicle in your country, you can drive it in SA.
Please note, I am in no way an expert with regards to traffic laws or any related topic, I am merely laying out the information as I’ve found it, all comments below are also given with a view from the facts I know, always enquire at your local traffic department when uncertain.
Hi there .I just want to ask how much is pdp cost because I have code and I want to drive quantum to take stuff to work?thank you
price changes with time. Please contact your local traffic department for latest details.
I want to apply for public licence
for driver job
Good luck
Good morning, I want to know. is there an age limit to renewing pdp’s. In other words can you become to old to have your pdp renewed? Is there a cut off age for renewing your pdp?
As far as I know there is no age limit cutoff, but you do require a medical every two years, so if you’re GP feels you’re too old to drive you won’t be able to renew.
Thank you so much for the feedback. That is how I had it as well. Just wanted to confirm. Have a wonderful day!
Gareth please help me understand this.I was convicted of a robbery in 2004.Is it possible for me to acquire my dangerous goods and passengers licence since five years has long lapsed???
You should be able to yes.
Alright tanx Gareth.
Is there such a thing as a commercial drivers licence ???
In South Africa I only know about the public driving permit.
Hi Gareth ,
I would like to put this scenario to you . If the PDP expires after the two years , and I have an accident with the vehicle after the expiry date . I have not renewed the PDP licence , nor have I applied for a temporary licence before the expiry date . Does my PDP fall away completely, as I have not renewed it , or can I go to the authorities and pay a fine for late renewal of the PDP licence after the expiry date and all is well ? Insurance related enquiry .
Hi Allan. From an insurance perspective I can’t comment. My understanding is that the PrDP falls away completely, unlike your standard licence which is still valid. But I don’t have a legal basis for this statement.
Hi there can the traffic department withheld your pdp over something that’s against your name 5years ago
What do you mean? To get a PrDP you must not have been convicted of a driving offense for more than 5 years.
Hi Gareth
I had PDP and I went to apply for PrDP,I thougt it’s different, I’m coming to fetch it,but it’s written the same as my old PDP old card=((Prof. Driving permit) (new card=(Prof.driving permit)
Kindly explain the difference.
Bongani
PDP/PrDP is the same thing. before 1998 it was called PDP, since 1998 it has been called PrDP
If I aply for a prdp who aproves it afiswitch or traffic department abd if I hve a criminal record thats older thn 3years wil I stil get s prdp
I’m not sure who does the actual approval, but it’s not the local traffic department.
Not necessarily, you must be free of conviction for 5 years